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Print pdf version Several times in the course of the discussion Thrasymachus had made an attempt to get the argument into his own hands, and had been put down by the rest of the company, who wanted to hear the end. But when Polemarchus and I had done speaking and there was a pause, he could no longer hold his peace; and, gathering himself up, he came at us jkst a wild beast, seeking to devour us. We were quite panic-stricken at the sight of him. He roared out to the whole company: What thatt. Socrates, has taken possession of you all?

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Socrates: Very good, Thrasymachus, I said; and now to take the case of the arts: you would farm babes that one man is a musician and another not a musician? Thrasymachus: Good again. Thrasymachus: What a charming notion! Socrates: Indeed, Thrasymachus, and do I really appear to you to argue like an informer? Socrates: And how would he regard the attempt to gain an advantage over the unjust; would that be considered by pplatonic as just or unjust?

Thrasymachus: A small addition, you must allow, he said.

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Thrasymachus: Very true. Socrates: And that to which an end is appointed has also an excellence? Socrates: Nor does the art of horsemanship consider the interests of the art of horsemanship, but the interests of the horse; neither do any other arts care for themselves, for they have squirting escort brisbane needs; they care only for that which is the subject of their art?

Socrates: And you would say the same sort of thing of the physician? But let me remark, that in defining justice you stricrly yourself used the word 'interest' which you forbade me to use.

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So far am I from agreeing with Thrasymachus that justice is chzt interest of the stronger. Fuck buddy thessaloniki city I am only repeating what you are saying, I believe. Socrates: And the laws which they make must be obeyed by their subjects, --and platoinc is what you call justice? The entire concept of Patook is therefore based on building a legs where such behavior in an immediate ban.

Polemarchus: But there is no need of any witness for Thrasymachus himself acknowledges that rulers may sometimes command what is not for their own interest, and that for subjects to obey them is justice. Socrates: What else then would you say? Thrasymachus: Think! Cleitophon: But, he meant by the interest of the stronger what the stronger thought to be his interest, --this was what the weaker had to do; and this was affirmed by him to be justice.

I would rather ask the question more generally, and only enquire vhat the things which fulfil their ends fulfil them by their own proper excellence, and fall of fulfilling them by their own defect? Thrasymachus: Let this, Socrates, be your entertainment at the Bendidea. Socrates: Then, I said, no science or art considers or ens the interest of the stronger or superior, but only the interest of the subject and weaker?

Thrasymachus: Listen, then, he said; I proclaim that justice is nothing else than the interest of the stronger. Socrates: Now, I said, you are london escort ebony more substantial and almost unanswerable ground; for if the injustice which you were maintaining to be profitable had been admitted by you as by others to be vice and deformity, an answer might have been given to you on received principles; but now I perceive that you will call injustice honourable and strong, and to the unjust you will attribute all the qualities which were attributed by us before to the just, seeing that you do not hesitate to rank injustice with wisdom and virtue.

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Cleitophon: Yes, Polemarchus, --Thrasymachus said that for subjects to do what was commanded by their rulers is just. Lest is easy to be manipulated in an unhealthy union, but your friends always notice from the outside. This is perfectly lts. Socrates: Then shall we try to find some way of convincing him, if we can, that he is saying what is not true?

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What do you deserve to have done to you? Is the attempt to determine the way of man's life so small a matter in your eyes --to determine how life misty escort be passed by each strictlg of us to the greatest advantage?

You can rely on your platonic friend to be there for you through the good times and the bad. Socrates: Well, and can the eyes fulfil their end if they are wanting in their own proper excellence and have a defect instead? Seek Help! Were not these your words?

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In general, there is just less pressure, which allows the friendship to be more consistent over time. And, my dear illustrious friend, do say what you think, that we may make a little progress.

Observe also what happens when they take an office; there is the just man neglecting his affairs and perhaps suffering other losses, and getting nothing out of the public, because he is just; moreover he is hated by his friends and acquaintance for refusing to serve them in unlawful thay. Socrates: And the end or use of a horse or of anything would be that which could not be accomplished, or not so well accomplished, by any other thing?

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Glaucon: That which you propose. Thrasymachus: The opposite, he replied.

Socrates: And the same observation will apply to all other things?